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		<title>By: socuteyourheadasploded</title>
		<link>http://naturalpapa.com/parenting/spanking-socialized-child-abuse-or-discipline/#comment-89557</link>
		<dc:creator>socuteyourheadasploded</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 04:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s sickening that you believe violence is okay if it&#039;s convenient for you. Very US Government attitude. Disgusting what passes for &#039;parenting&#039; these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s sickening that you believe violence is okay if it&#8217;s convenient for you. Very US Government attitude. Disgusting what passes for &#8216;parenting&#8217; these days.</p>
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		<title>By: socuteyourheadasploded</title>
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		<dc:creator>socuteyourheadasploded</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 04:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a libertarian, and as a libertarian I believe in some simple rules, one of them being: you do not physically hurt people unless they are an immanent physical threat to yourself or others. Under no circumstances. Zero. Zip. Doesn&#039;t matter who it is - a drug dealer, a loudmouth drunk, a child, a Nazi. You don&#039;t do it. If you do YOU&#039;RE the aggressor and YOU are the one asking to get your teeth knocked in.

And I&#039;ll tell you right now this minute, I see anyone hit their kid I&#039;ll sock you in the jaw before you know what happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a libertarian, and as a libertarian I believe in some simple rules, one of them being: you do not physically hurt people unless they are an immanent physical threat to yourself or others. Under no circumstances. Zero. Zip. Doesn&#8217;t matter who it is &#8211; a drug dealer, a loudmouth drunk, a child, a Nazi. You don&#8217;t do it. If you do YOU&#8217;RE the aggressor and YOU are the one asking to get your teeth knocked in.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;ll tell you right now this minute, I see anyone hit their kid I&#8217;ll sock you in the jaw before you know what happened.</p>
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		<title>By: namegoeshere</title>
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		<dc:creator>namegoeshere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 23:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Discipline my hairy butt. All parents are doing is making their children&#039;s life worse. If you want discipline, a trip to the corner, a good YELLING. Just no bullcrap. It&#039;s as if parents like these want their children to physically and verbally abuse their future children, even wife. I say that whoever spanks their children deserves a spanking themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Discipline my hairy butt. All parents are doing is making their children&#8217;s life worse. If you want discipline, a trip to the corner, a good YELLING. Just no bullcrap. It&#8217;s as if parents like these want their children to physically and verbally abuse their future children, even wife. I say that whoever spanks their children deserves a spanking themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Brittany</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brittany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2011 17:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was spanked when I was a child and it made me learn not to do whatever I did to get one. I believe if used at the right time then it is a good way to discipline a child. Yes. I might use the time out method but if they go and do the same thing once again then they will get swats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was spanked when I was a child and it made me learn not to do whatever I did to get one. I believe if used at the right time then it is a good way to discipline a child. Yes. I might use the time out method but if they go and do the same thing once again then they will get swats.</p>
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		<title>By: anyamous</title>
		<link>http://naturalpapa.com/parenting/spanking-socialized-child-abuse-or-discipline/#comment-53424</link>
		<dc:creator>anyamous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2011 20:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if you molest your kids i will find you and make you sufer spanking is sexull abues no exscuse for hiting a child</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if you molest your kids i will find you and make you sufer spanking is sexull abues no exscuse for hiting a child</p>
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		<title>By: Dionna @ Code Name: Mama</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dionna @ Code Name: Mama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for a succinct outline of many of the arguments about why spanking is outdated and cruel. My bottom line argument is much like the comment you quoted above - you can be jailed/fined/etc. for touching another adult (or another person&#039;s child!) in the same way that you would spank your own child, so what makes it right to do it to your offspring? Absolutely nothing.
Sharing this article!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for a succinct outline of many of the arguments about why spanking is outdated and cruel. My bottom line argument is much like the comment you quoted above &#8211; you can be jailed/fined/etc. for touching another adult (or another person&#8217;s child!) in the same way that you would spank your own child, so what makes it right to do it to your offspring? Absolutely nothing.<br />
Sharing this article!</p>
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		<title>By: zachary</title>
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		<dc:creator>zachary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 00:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well written. so thoughtful. thank you much for this thoughtful article and all the great pieces you write. (and an indirect thanks to the authors of the great comments you reposted)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well written. so thoughtful. thank you much for this thoughtful article and all the great pieces you write. (and an indirect thanks to the authors of the great comments you reposted)</p>
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		<title>By: Alison Kerr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alison Kerr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 01:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll go along with Casey&#039;s statement, &quot;I am floored that anyone would think that without spanking a parent is left without any tools for teaching and discipline.&quot;

In my experience telling a child you are disappointed with them is very strong discipline. What does a kid want more than the approval of their parents? Of course once they come under strong influence of peers...
.-= Alison Kerr´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/LovingNaturesGarden/~3/_jVCm-PzwKE/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;How to Make a Winter Bird List&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll go along with Casey&#8217;s statement, &#8220;I am floored that anyone would think that without spanking a parent is left without any tools for teaching and discipline.&#8221;</p>
<p>In my experience telling a child you are disappointed with them is very strong discipline. What does a kid want more than the approval of their parents? Of course once they come under strong influence of peers&#8230;<br />
.-= Alison Kerr´s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/LovingNaturesGarden/~3/_jVCm-PzwKE/" rel="nofollow">How to Make a Winter Bird List</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: PDeverit</title>
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		<dc:creator>PDeverit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People used to think it was necessary to &quot;spank&quot; adult members of the community, military trainees, and prisoners. In some countries they still do. In our country, it is considered sexual assault if  a person over the age of 18 is &quot;spanked&quot;, but only if over the age of 18.

For one thing, buttock-battering can vibrate the pudendal nerve, which can lead to sexual arousal. There are multitudinous other physiological ways in which it can be sexually abusive, but I won&#039;t list them all here. One can use the resources I&#039;ve posted if they want to learn more.

Child buttock-battering vs. DISCIPLINE:

Child buttock-battering (euphemistically labeled &quot;spanking&quot;,&quot;swatting&quot;,&quot;switching&quot;,&quot;smacking&quot;, &quot;paddling&quot;,or other cute-sounding names) for the purpose of gaining compliance is nothing more than an inherited bad habit.

Its a good idea for people to take a look at what they are doing, and learn how to DISCIPLINE instead of hit.

I think the reason why television shows like &quot;Supernanny&quot; and &quot;Dr. Phil&quot; are so popular is because that is precisely what many (not all) people are trying to do.

There are several reasons why child bottom-slapping isn&#039;t a good idea. Here are some good, quick reads recommended by professionals:

Plain Talk About Spanking
by Jordan Riak,

The Sexual Dangers of Spanking Children
by Tom Johnson,

NO VITAL ORGANS THERE, So They Say
by Lesli Taylor M.D. and Adah Maurer Ph.D.

Most compelling of all reasons to abandon this worst of all bad habits is the fact that buttock-battering can be unintentional sexual abuse for some children. There is an abundance of educational resources, testimony, documentation, etc available on the subject that can easily be found by doing a little research with the recommended reads-visit www.nospank.net.

Just a handful of those helping to raise awareness of why child bottom-slapping isn&#039;t a good idea:

American Academy of Pediatrics,
American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry,
American Psychological Association,
Center For Effective Discipline,
Churches&#039; Network For Non-Violence,
Nobel Peace Prize recipient Archbishop Desmond Tutu,
Parenting In Jesus&#039; Footsteps,
Global Initiative To End All Corporal Punishment of Children,
United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child.

In 26 countries, child corporal punishment is prohibited by law (with more in process). In fact, the US was the only UN member that did not ratify the Convention on the Rights of the Child.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People used to think it was necessary to &#8220;spank&#8221; adult members of the community, military trainees, and prisoners. In some countries they still do. In our country, it is considered sexual assault if  a person over the age of 18 is &#8220;spanked&#8221;, but only if over the age of 18.</p>
<p>For one thing, buttock-battering can vibrate the pudendal nerve, which can lead to sexual arousal. There are multitudinous other physiological ways in which it can be sexually abusive, but I won&#8217;t list them all here. One can use the resources I&#8217;ve posted if they want to learn more.</p>
<p>Child buttock-battering vs. DISCIPLINE:</p>
<p>Child buttock-battering (euphemistically labeled &#8220;spanking&#8221;,&#8221;swatting&#8221;,&#8221;switching&#8221;,&#8221;smacking&#8221;, &#8220;paddling&#8221;,or other cute-sounding names) for the purpose of gaining compliance is nothing more than an inherited bad habit.</p>
<p>Its a good idea for people to take a look at what they are doing, and learn how to DISCIPLINE instead of hit.</p>
<p>I think the reason why television shows like &#8220;Supernanny&#8221; and &#8220;Dr. Phil&#8221; are so popular is because that is precisely what many (not all) people are trying to do.</p>
<p>There are several reasons why child bottom-slapping isn&#8217;t a good idea. Here are some good, quick reads recommended by professionals:</p>
<p>Plain Talk About Spanking<br />
by Jordan Riak,</p>
<p>The Sexual Dangers of Spanking Children<br />
by Tom Johnson,</p>
<p>NO VITAL ORGANS THERE, So They Say<br />
by Lesli Taylor M.D. and Adah Maurer Ph.D.</p>
<p>Most compelling of all reasons to abandon this worst of all bad habits is the fact that buttock-battering can be unintentional sexual abuse for some children. There is an abundance of educational resources, testimony, documentation, etc available on the subject that can easily be found by doing a little research with the recommended reads-visit <a href="http://www.nospank.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.nospank.net</a>.</p>
<p>Just a handful of those helping to raise awareness of why child bottom-slapping isn&#8217;t a good idea:</p>
<p>American Academy of Pediatrics,<br />
American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry,<br />
American Psychological Association,<br />
Center For Effective Discipline,<br />
Churches&#8217; Network For Non-Violence,<br />
Nobel Peace Prize recipient Archbishop Desmond Tutu,<br />
Parenting In Jesus&#8217; Footsteps,<br />
Global Initiative To End All Corporal Punishment of Children,<br />
United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child.</p>
<p>In 26 countries, child corporal punishment is prohibited by law (with more in process). In fact, the US was the only UN member that did not ratify the Convention on the Rights of the Child.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Markham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Markham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 03:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you all for your support and comments! I&#039;ll be checking out the links and sharing them.

Cheers-
Derek</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you all for your support and comments! I&#8217;ll be checking out the links and sharing them.</p>
<p>Cheers-<br />
Derek</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Lance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 01:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ve been talking about this very subject and study on Eco Child&#039;s Play!  
http://ecochildsplay.com/2010/01/05/wtf-spanking-young-children-makes-academically-successful-teenagers/
Oh, and in my experience with abused animals, they pee when they see their owners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve been talking about this very subject and study on Eco Child&#8217;s Play!<br />
<a href="http://ecochildsplay.com/2010/01/05/wtf-spanking-young-children-makes-academically-successful-teenagers/" rel="nofollow">http://ecochildsplay.com/2010/01/05/wtf-spanking-young-children-makes-academically-successful-teenagers/</a><br />
Oh, and in my experience with abused animals, they pee when they see their owners.</p>
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		<title>By: Casey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 01:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We also choose not to spank.  When I tell people that, they often ask, &quot;Well, what *do* do you do?&quot;  I am floored that anyone would think that without spanking a parent is left without any tools for teaching and discipline.
.-= Casey´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/TheBeautifulLetdown/~3/viNtW13Sgkg/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Our Holiday Card&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We also choose not to spank.  When I tell people that, they often ask, &#8220;Well, what *do* do you do?&#8221;  I am floored that anyone would think that without spanking a parent is left without any tools for teaching and discipline.<br />
.-= Casey´s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/TheBeautifulLetdown/~3/viNtW13Sgkg/" rel="nofollow">Our Holiday Card</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Hillary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hillary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 00:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with everything you said.  We even stay away from the word discipline, because of the severe connotation (and meaning) it has.  

I just published a post 2 minutes ago about questioning how we reprimand children and each other and how it disrupts the natural learning process.

http://infinitelearners.com/reprimand/
.-= Hillary´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/flowers13/statuses/7460344167&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;flowers13: harmful to reprimand children &amp; each other? RT @tweetmeme To Reprimand or To Let Be &#124; ...infinitely learning... http://ow.ly/1mKkN0&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with everything you said.  We even stay away from the word discipline, because of the severe connotation (and meaning) it has.  </p>
<p>I just published a post 2 minutes ago about questioning how we reprimand children and each other and how it disrupts the natural learning process.</p>
<p><a href="http://infinitelearners.com/reprimand/" rel="nofollow">http://infinitelearners.com/reprimand/</a><br />
.-= Hillary´s last blog ..<a href="http://twitter.com/flowers13/statuses/7460344167" rel="nofollow">flowers13: harmful to reprimand children &amp; each other? RT @tweetmeme To Reprimand or To Let Be | &#8230;infinitely learning&#8230; </a><a href="http://ow.ly/1mKkN0" rel="nofollow">http://ow.ly/1mKkN0</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Isle Dance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isle Dance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 00:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good, good, good job.  Well done.  Well said.  Bravo.
.-= Isle Dance´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/IsleDance/~3/hlH4CXEgW-4/raw-goji-berry-tea.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Raw Goji Berry Tea&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good, good, good job.  Well done.  Well said.  Bravo.<br />
.-= Isle Dance´s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/IsleDance/~3/hlH4CXEgW-4/raw-goji-berry-tea.html" rel="nofollow">Raw Goji Berry Tea</a> =-.</p>
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